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Pawpaw’s Model 60 Smith & Wesson

Smith & Wesson snubnose

One of the threads over at The Gun Thing talks about concealed carry revolvers. I started talking about mine over there.

It’s the Smith and Wesson Model 60, the first revolver that Smith made in stainless steel. It is neither pinned nor recessed, and carries a two-inch barrel. It is altogether an excellent carry piece. Xavier probably wouldn’t like it much because it is stainless, but in the heat and humidity of Louisiana, stainless is my preferred metal for firearms that might be neglected.

Back in the day, a trial commenced where one guy was accused of battering someone else with a firearm. That is a felony in this state. After the trial, and all the appeals had been finalized, the judge and evidence custodian were going through the evidence room disposing of old evidence when this revolver gained their attention. Fresh from the scene, it had been bagged in a clear plastic zipper bag and there was still blood on the frame and trigger guard. The little revolver was broken as evidenced by the fact that the hammer was halfway back and the trigger was misaligned with the frame.

I happened to be walking down the hall when the Judge asked what he was going to do with it. I offered to take it. The judge tossed me the bloody revolver and told me to be at his office that afternoon. When I appeared later, he caused a minute entry to be made into the record, wherein that revolver was titled to me for the furtherance of law enforcement within the parish. Under the laws at the time, that was perfectly legal.

All this was back before AIDS, HIV, or any of the more common blood-borne pathogens had been catalogued. I took the little revolver home, stripped it and washed it in the kitchen sink. I dried it and took it to the bench. After an inspection, I determined that the trigger guard was bent, binding the trigger and holding the hammer halfway back. I clamped the frame in a vise, grabbed the trigger guard with a pair of pliers, and pulled. The trigger popped forward, the hammer fell to rest. I took off the side plate and looked at the innards and convinced myself that the gun was okay. A trip to the range confirmed the proper function or the piece.

The judge in question has since passed on to his mortal reward, after a distinguished career in jurisprudence, a long and happy retirement, and a legendary affection for sour-mash whiskey.

The little revolver has been with me for over 20 years. I carried it during plainclothes assignments and since my first retirement and subsequent employment it has been my CCW piece. Sometimes it rides in a Don Hume beltslide holster, sometimes it is just dropped into a pocket. For ammo, I either load it with the old Federal Ny-Clad ammo or my own reload of a hollow-based wadcutter loaded backwards over a mild charge of Unique. I don’t use +P ammo in this little gun.

While it is often difficult to rehabilitate a criminal, firearms don’t have as much problem. This pistol originally led a life of crime, but since became an honored member of the law enforcement community. It has assisted in countless dozens of arrests and has proved a deterrent to many other crimes. In 2001 I showed it to one young goblin. It was immediately effective as the goblin decided to depart posthaste rather than become more closely acquainted. I put it back in my pocket and went about my day unmolested.

One of these days, one of my kids will have it. I am convinced it will serve honorably into the future.

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The Taurus Model 85

Taurus model 85 revolver

By Conservative Scalawag

For those on a budget who want a reliable out-of-the box, no-frills, five- shot .38 Special, they might want to look at the Taurus M85. Unfortunately, the name Taurus has been synonymous with being an unreliable and cheap gun, of the likes of Raven Arms, who makes low quality pistols. Let me clear up this rumor, they make an affordable and reliable self-defense gun. Nothing more and nothing less – simply the best bang for your buck. I won’t fool you; this isn’t the gun to do trigger jobs on or to customize, just a great self-defense weapon.

To my knowledge, this is the only gun manufacture that comes with a lifetime warranty on the gun, not the owner. Therefore, if you do buy one used, the company will cover it for repair at no cost to you. Yet another added bonus if you ask me.

A little history on the company – Taurus, based in Brazil, has been making guns since 1941 and importing to the US since 1968. In 1970, Bangor Punta Corporation, then owner of Smith and Wesson, purchased a holding share of Taurus. This explains why many of the Taurus revolvers look a lot like Smiths, as many were made on the same tools. Sadly, few, if any parts are interchangeable – Taurus using coil springs for the main spring, unlike Smith and Wesson. In 1977, Taurus broke out on its own, cutting all ties to Smith and Wesson. By 1984, the company created a subsidiary know to all as Taurus USA, based in Miami, Florida. Two of the guns that became their meat and potatoes were the M85 .38 special and the M66 .357 magnum revolvers.

The post-1996 Taurus revolvers and semi-autos models all have key locking features to disable the weapon. On the revolvers, it’s located on the hammer; on the semi-autos, it is located on the upper receiver or slide. Neither of my current Taurus revolvers, the M85 nor the M94 (4” .22LR nine shot) have this feature, being pre-1996 models. It is a feature that I have never been fond of, though I understand that gun companies have to be politically correct in today’s climate. Taurus’s locking feature is, however, voluntary to engage by the owner.

All Taurus revolvers do use a transfer bar and have the firing pin located in the frame for safety. Having the firing pin in the frame, to my knowledge, was first introduced Andrew Fyrberg in 1891 and later perfected, I believe, by Ruger in the 1970’s. Other revolvers, such as Colt and Smith, utilize hammer blocks that are effective in their own right.

Taurus also makes the Model85 in many other variants, some very similar to those made by Smith and Wesson. Such as the Model 851, equivalent to the S&W bodyguard and the Model 650 equivalent to Smith’s Centennial. The M85 are made in Ultra-light versions too, for those who wish for something lighter.

The M85 can handle +P rated loads, such as 135 grain Gold Dot, my personal preference for carry load. The revolver is also relatively accurate for having a 2” barrel, making four and five-inch groups at 25 feet. In my opinion, this is good enough for my self-defense. After all, it is a snub nose revolver, not a target gun; its role is to defend at close range.

I have had two Taurus .38 specials in my life, my current older version and one newer version. I highly recommend any Taurus revolver – their reliability and simplicity can’t be beat for the affordable price. In fact, I’m keeping room in the safe for a M66 .357 from Taurus which will fill three roles for me, as a bedside gun, field gun, and possible used as a hunting gun.

Taurus 85 revolver

Taurus Model 85 Specs:

Model: 85B2
Caliber: .38 SPL +P RATED
Capacity: 5
Barrel Length: 2″
Action: DA/SA
Finish: Blue
Grips: Rubber
Weight: 21 oz
Construction: Steel
Frame: Small

Front Sight: Fixed Rear
Sight: Fixed
Trigger Type: Smooth
Length: 6-1/2”

Width: 1.346″
Height: 4.28″
Rate of Twist: 1:16″
Grooves: 5
Safety: Transfer Bar

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